What makes us, as believers, Above Tribulation when Christians all over the world are suffering, can you HONESTLY say that you have reached a point of complete CONFORMITY TO CHRIST'S IMAGE?

Have you been tried by fire, are you as fine gold? Consider these questions as we go into this...

First off, the whole idea of "Rapture" didn't even come about till the late 1800's, and didn't reach America till the 1880's! We all agree Christ is coming again, and it will be very soon!

Millions of Godly believers didn't hold to pre-tribulation rapturism for 1800 years! now that's a long time :)Such as :John Wesley, Charles Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, John Knox, John Hus, William Carey, John Caluin, Isaac Newton, George Whitfield, A.B. Simpson,George Mueller, John Newton, Jonathon Edwards, John Wycliffe, John Bunyan, & the list goes on, and on , and on :)

they had the same Word of God and yet NEVER came to this sort of conclusion. Nor did they believe in the doctrine of immanency( the belief that Christ could appear at ANY moment without the need for any kind of Prophesied event occurring first). You can read their writings for evidence. :)

The Great Tribulation is only 3 1/2 years.
Different from "tribulation"Trials/ Tribulation: Hard times, Lost your job, pet dies, lose a friend because of standards, cancer scares... etc, etc, etc...
Tribulation before Great Tribulation is also known as the "Birth Pangs", as my mom likes to put it,or the Beginning of Sorrows ( note Matt. 24 for those signs read to verse 8, then read on). Note, there is NO mention of the Rapture! :)

the church confuses tribulation w/ God's Wrath. The day of the Lord is God's Wrath, which he pours out at the end of the Great Tribulation. the word says that we will endure tribulation ( John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Rom. 5:3-5 and vs. 9, Rom. 12:12, 1 thess. 3:4, 2Cor. 1:4).

A lot of Believers are afraid of "Great Tribulation" or being tribulation saints. They Advocate Pre- Tribulation Rapture. The prophecy's speak of a great falling away of the faith at that time. :( . Can you stop for a moment and imagine all the believers that have put thier faith in the belief that they're gettin' out of here, and the disappointment they will feel when they witness the the Anti-Christ breaking the covenant of peace and setting up his image? Some will deny the faith completely, we know somone who told us personally that if Christ doesn't come and take us out by then their faith will be shaken! THIS IS A DANGEROUS DOCTRINE!!! We should be HUMBLY on our knees Repenting and preparing for the way that will be the most challenging in the History of mankind, yet instead we sleep saying wake me up with the trumpet blast cuz I'll be ready to go !

Some Argue that the church HAS to be gone because the Holy Spirit has left the Earth during the Tribulation period according to 2 Thess. 2:1-8 ( Specifically verse 7), speaking of the restrainer being removed ( i.e. The Angel Micheal).Has there been a mass falling away yet? the man of sin been revealed?According to the Strongs, "The letteth will let" of verse 7 in the greek is the word Katecho 2722# which means to Have, to hold fast, to retain, stay,take, withold.

Does this sound like the Holy Spirit? not at all, Orthodox as well as messianic scholars understand this verse well, as they understand the earliest writings in Aramaic, the equivalent word is the word for Micheal the Arch Angel who will leave his watch here on earth as Satan os before God's throne accusing God's people to a point that Micheal has torestrain him and permanently Kick him out of heaven. this is where the word comes in and says (Rev. 12:7-12 Please Read).

The Restrainer is Micheal. Not the Holy Spirit. this makes sense. If th echurch is gone & the Holy Spirit is gone How can ANYONE RECIEVE truth that leads to Salvation during the tribulation?A really goo reference book is The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church by Martin Rosenthal. Great book! :)

Please feel free to ask questions, or leave comments... God Bless :)